Tuesday, November 21, 2006

Pedophilia and Ephebophilia

Age of consent laws have been of interest to me since watching the indie revenge thriller Hard Candy, in which 32-year old Jeff tries seducing 14-year old Hayley. This makes Jeff not a pedophile, but an ephebophile, and there's a big difference between the two. In yesterday's Times article Carol Sarler upholds the distinction over the protests of one Michele Elliott:
"Terry Grange, the Chief Constable of Dyfed-Powys and spokesman on child protection for the Association of Chief Police Officers, suggested greater clarity in the labelling of sex offenders: it is incorrect to say that those who have sex with underage teenagers are pedophiles -- and if we say they are, we risk overestimating the scale of the problem of pedophilia.

"With predictable fury, Michele Elliott, the director of the children’s charity Kidscape, rounded on the policeman’s wish to reclassify those who have sex with youngsters between 13 and 16: 'He is saying they are not pedophiles and they bloody well are.'

"If Miss Elliott would care to borrow my dictionary, she would discover that they bloody well aren't. A pedophile is defined as one who is sexually attracted to children; children are defined as those between birth and puberty. What our teen fanciers are, in fact, is ephebophiliacs: adults attracted to postpubescent adolescents."
There's obviously a difference, because pedophilia is intrinsically wrong (or at least, most of us believe so), while ephebophilia is conditionally and arbitrarily wrong, depending on what society says about it. As Sarler notes:
"[Pedophilia] goes to the defiance of a law of Nature... [It] is to have sex with somebody who is, if you will, not 'ready'. By contrast, to have sex with somebody who has passed the age of puberty is merely to defy a law of Man -- and a pretty arbitrary law at that. We cannot agree between one border and the next at what age a boy or girl is emotionally developed enough to give informed consent: Malta and The Netherlands think 12, Canada and Italy weigh in at 14, cautious Greece holds out for 15 and the good burghers of Iceland go as high as 17."
Here's a site depicting age of consent laws around the world.

Avert: Worldwide Ages of Consent

Obviously what one country or state thinks is fine, another will throw you in jail for. (And there are homophobic biases: ages of consent can vary within country or state depending on orientation/preference.) Sarler says, quite rightly:
"As long as the law is the law, [the ephebophile] deserves a smacked paw if he gives in to his excitement. But he does not deserve the same opprobrium as the [pedophile] -- and nor do we deserve that our police forces' time be needlessly spent in his pursuit rather than that of the far rarer, but far more dangerous, bogeyman proper."
But back to Hard Candy. What's amusing about the film is that Jeff is committing an ephebophiliac felony by Californian standards (where the age of consent is 18), but doing nothing wrong by Canadian standards -- the irony being that Ellen Page, who plays Hayley, is Canadian. The age of consent in Canada is 14, that of the character Hayley. Canadians who watch Hard Candy might be a bit puzzled at the film's premise. What exactly is the problem here? What's wrong with these uptight Californians?

Of course, it does come out in the story that Jeff is also a pedophile, when Hayley stumbles on his stash of kiddie porn. He appears, then, to be a closet pedophile and an active ephebophile. One critic has suggested that the filmmaker's choice to make Jeff both was gratuitous, in the sense that it plays on exaggerated tendencies of people to associate one with the other, as if ephebophilia is as bad as pedophilia, or as if a person who is sexually drawn to teens is necessarily drawn to children too. Given the incredible reaction of Michele Elliot to Terry Grange, I think the critic has a good point. But I still love the movie.

17 Comments:

Anonymous Stephen said...

I'm Canadian. I'm not sure that the average Canadian is aware that it's legal for a forty-year-old to have sex with a fourteen-year-old. You're right, but with one qualification: "unless it takes place in a relationship of trust or dependency, in which case sexual activity with persons over 14 but under 18 can constitute an offence, notwithstanding their consent" (source).

11/26/2006  
Blogger Loren Rosson III said...

"...but with one qualification: "unless it takes place in a relationship of trust or dependency, in which case sexual activity with persons over 14 but under 18 can constitute an offence, notwithstanding their consent".

The same is true in my state (New Hampshire), where the age of consent is 16, but defaults to 18 in relationships of trust or authority (i.e. teachers, pastors, counsellors, etc).

11/27/2006  
Blogger Loren Rosson III said...

Note: Canada updated from 14 to 16 as of March 2008.

5/05/2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many girls enter puberty at age 8--by your "argument" (which does not deserve the name), it would be ok to have sex with them. I hope that you get therapy soon.

6/23/2008  
Blogger DS said...

By what term are we who are detracted from bitterness and cellulite referred?
Should we also seek therapy?

6/29/2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many girls enter puberty at age 8--by your "argument" (which does not deserve the name), it would be ok to have sex with them. I hope that you get therapy soon.


To the other anonymous person that wrote the above comment(quoted), you are an idiot. An ephebophile is someone that is attracted to POST-pubescent youth...this means AFTER PUBERTY. Not BEFORE, not DURING. This covers a wide range of men all over the world. A female that is post-pubescent will look attractive to any normal human male. When I was in high school I thought girls were attractive and ever since then they still are. While the age of consent law in the particular area should, of course be followed , it is not wrong for men to be attracted to young women. Keep in mind the definition(ephebophile) I've given you before your knee-jerk reaction. Romeo & Juliet was written about post-pubescent adolescents (13 and 14 years old). People had sex at that age at that time. Tastes didn't change, our laws changed. We are still animals. Check out this site "http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm". These people that get caught for this stuff are WRONG for having pursued sex with those that are considered minors in their communities, however, it is not indicative of a need for therapy to be attracted to someone of that age depending on the fact that they are POSTpubescent and not PREpubescent or still in puberty. Most of the girls I know from high school were well developed and done developing by the time we reached highschool.

7/02/2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

While many adults may be attracted to adolescents,this does not make them ehebophiles.An ephebophile is a person who is only attracted to adolescents,some of whom are incapable of sexual interaction with adults.There is no treatment for such unfortunate people.Rather than label them pedophiles,people should understand that some of those who pursue younger partners are no less decent or moral than regular people,but simply have no choice in their sexual and romantic desires.

7/12/2008  
Anonymous Concerned Scientist said...

There is clinical usefulness in the distinction between ephebophiles and pedophiles, specifically in the treatment of offenders. The pathology and motivation of the two are considerably different as are the patterns and methods of vicimization.

Consider too that most people have a rather different level of abhorrence when they hear about an offender that has penetratively victimized a person not yet in grade school versus a victim whom is a senior in high school. This suggests that at some deep level there is a perceptible difference in the nature of the offence.

The discussion about the extent and degree of harm that can come to a teenager engaging in sexual activity with an adult is complex and nuanced due to the complexities about just what is consent and what is coercion. Preferably law in this regard would be based as much as possible on evidence of harm as much as it is based on public outrage.

The clinical separation of ephebophiles and pedophiles serves an important public policy purpose. The disaggregation allows for more focused and specific research into the offenses and offenders, more accurate assessment of public sentiment and hopefully better assessment and treatment of offenders.

Unfortunately there is a voice that screams out against increased precision in understanding these paraphilias, expressing the concern that it is an effort to "legitimize" sexual contact between youth and adults. Does aggregating a mass of behaviours into a general category of things we think are "icky" ever really help establish good public policy or advance our ability as clinicians, therapists, counselors and peers to assist offenders of law in normalizing their interaction with the public.

Whatever ones normative stance on sexual relations between adults and post pubescent but legally underage youth it serves no ones bona-fide interests to oppose clearer understanding of the issue.

8/22/2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

to the previous anon that sai:
While many adults may be attracted to adolescents,this does not make them ehebophiles.An ephebophile is a person who is only attracted to adolescents,some of whom are incapable of sexual interaction with adults.There is no treatment for such unfortunate people.Rather than label them pedophiles,people should understand that some of those who pursue younger partners are no less decent or moral than regular people,but simply have no choice in their sexual and romantic desires.


funny, everywhere i look up the word i find "preference" not "exclusive" as the key term. to make it seem like it's an exclusive attraction makes it sound more like a disease than it actually is. just because people grow older doesn't make younger girls/guys less attractive.

8/26/2008  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was 14 and had a relationship with an adult male and it was wonderful. He was very loving and caring. Not manipulative and aggressive. It wasn't all about sex as most people would see it. I think the age of consent laws should be changed in the United States to allow responsible adolescent males to have relationships with older men. Notice the word responsible. Why is it every one thinks older males who are gay and are interested in some postpubescent males are monsters and perverts. It's not all about that at all. Love happens,sex happens,life happens.

1/24/2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

There are men who in their 50's are attracted to 14 and 15 year olds...ok you can say this is 'natural' adolescent girls atre beuatiful. BUt when the man seeks out his sexual pleasure in fantasizing about teens via teen porn sites and teen model sites to get his gratification and this takes away from being abel to be sexually involved iwth his loving adult partner there is an enormous abnormality with this. It's one thing to appreciate beautiful but when seeking out youths that are underage,in secret, to fulfill a sexual fantasy replces a realtionship or prohibits one there is something seriously wrong with thsi behavoir.

3/24/2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know a man over sixty years of age who always invites boys from 16 to 19 years old to his house. There he helps them with school and wants to make them interested in higher cultural values. He really cares for them. But he also pays them to have sex with him. People are very poor where I live. Those boys are tempted to be prostitutes. That is what I don't like about it.

8/20/2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another thing is that in my opinion pederasts are homosexuals with a pedophilian inclination, but feel themselves forced to limit their actions to boys with a legally accepted age.

8/20/2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In reply to the person who said: funny, everywhere i look up the word i find "preference" not "exclusive" as the key term. to make it seem like it's an exclusive attraction makes it sound more like a disease than it actually is. just because people grow older doesn't make younger girls/guys less attractive.
Ephebophilia isn't just a normal preference for younger people.Statistically,most people find adolescents less attractive than adults,Yet some people never have any sexual or romantic desires towards anyone except adolescents.I would say it classifies as a disorder.

10/31/2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Statistically,most people find adolescents less attractive than adults"

Bullshit.

"Adolescence" is a modern invention, and if anything to most people "teenage girls" (young women) are MORE attractive than older women. Youthfulness and sex appeal are linked in every known society...

11/14/2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bullshit huh?Why is it that the men and women voted sexiest in the world are all between 30 and 60 years of age.In the world of prostitution,most statistics report that adults in the 18 to 29 age proup are most prominent and command the highest prices.The only places where adolescent may be more sought after is in developing nations where it it the youths perceived lack of disease which makes them a prefered target.Even in ancient greece when haebophilia was prevalent,the adolescent boys were never viewed as superior partner to an adult,it was simply considered a learning ritual for the young.After extremely extensive research,I find no evedence that in any time or culture,adolescents were the "pinnacle" of sexual desire.Oh,also adoslescent porno actors get paid less than adults....now back to the point you were trying to make

11/17/2009  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Also,I never implied that youthfullness was not attractive,only that adolescents are generally less desired than young adults.Therefore my point remains correct that it is not normal to have a overwelming preference,exclusive or otherwise for adolescents.therefore a person showing these inclinations is distinctly different from the "average" person.

11/18/2009  

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